tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post4400306433781248556..comments2023-10-23T12:23:54.134-05:00Comments on Larry James' Urban Daily: "Just" goodLarry Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06124477733714017000noreply@blogger.comBlogger16125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-31738390450701453592011-05-14T10:06:29.606-05:002011-05-14T10:06:29.606-05:00One more time: we have several organized, regularl...One more time: we have several organized, regularly scheduled bible studies and groups in CityWalk. We have a church that meets on Sun and several times each week. We inform everyone about each of these options. We do much more outreach than 90% of Dallas churches. We just don't condition our aid on a person's response to our invitations.Larry Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06124477733714017000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-75474042059072996572011-05-13T17:12:36.808-05:002011-05-13T17:12:36.808-05:00Larry, so you don't hold any organized service...Larry, so you don't hold any organized service at CitySquare, but point these poor souls to some place down the road?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-91792731038025968992011-05-12T13:28:23.868-05:002011-05-12T13:28:23.868-05:00Larry, so in response to my question, does CitySqu...Larry, so in response to my question, does CitySquare hold organized church services; do you just say there's a church down the street, as apparently from your last response , there is no organized "faith based service" at CitySquare?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-26712371199171191902011-05-11T19:17:49.367-05:002011-05-11T19:17:49.367-05:00Anon 5:20, sorry to disappoint, but Central Dallas...Anon 5:20, sorry to disappoint, but Central Dallas Church was planted by City Square in 1992. We pay for the church's property and staff. I will teach "The Theology of City Square" in May, June, July...just one example of numerous faith/Bible based instructional settings/offerings. I'm sure you wouldn't like our values, but they are clearly faith-based. We read the bible very seriously.Larry Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06124477733714017000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-87871515813088906662011-05-11T17:20:34.282-05:002011-05-11T17:20:34.282-05:00There is no organized Church Service at CitySquare...There is no organized Church Service at CitySquare. My inquires in the past have been responded to with -"there's a church down the street for them to go to" ,and my favorite - "we are organizing a Bible study". There is no organized service at CitySquare because it is not faith based in the ordinary sense of the definition - even the phrase "faith based" is a red herringAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-41352120509226002762011-05-11T14:33:04.727-05:002011-05-11T14:33:04.727-05:00". . .thy kingdom come, thy will be done ON E...". . .thy kingdom come, thy will be done ON EARTH as it is in heaven." The Lord's Prayer<br /><br />It seems Larry and crew are in pretty good company. And they do provide spiritual guidance, counsel and study for those who seek it. Weekly opportunities in the organization and the church that they underwrite.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-26173826980852067192011-05-11T13:07:59.055-05:002011-05-11T13:07:59.055-05:00What do you mean CitySquare is faith based? What f...What do you mean CitySquare is faith based? What faith? Liberation Theology!<br /> You don't conduct organized services for those needing your services. You do however provide physical relief, and that makes you a secular charity in my book.<br />You have stated more than once that your concern is for the here and now and not the hereafter!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-84466448910631434272011-05-05T20:54:08.746-05:002011-05-05T20:54:08.746-05:00Anon:
I don't think Campolo would find doing ...Anon:<br /><br />I don't think Campolo would find doing good in the name of Christ at all objectionable. What he's advocating is simply not having an ulterior motive (including conversion) for doing good beyond the fact that it is good. It is important to disconnect good works and evangelism to a degree to have trust and respect in a relationship. After there is a relationship, personal, real evangelism might follow. But you have to accept that it might not. And that's okay, the good was still worth doing simply because it was good.<br /><br />Ken<br />DallasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-88441878697215509592011-05-05T14:45:57.756-05:002011-05-05T14:45:57.756-05:00Some of these comments make it clear to me that th...Some of these comments make it clear to me that there is a basic misunderstanding of the nature of inner city communities and their residents with whom we work so closely on a daily basis.<br /><br />Two key points come to mind: 1) Everyone in the community knows that CitySquare is a faith-based organization; they regard us as a "church group" rooted in faith. 2) The vast, vast majority of our neighbors who come our way are people of deep, deep faith. The conversations and insights about faith, Jesus and spiritual life emerge from almost every conversation we have with our neighbors and the interaction is authentic and natural. <br /><br />It amazes me to realize that most folks feel that faith is not shared unless there is a formal declaration or organization for that process. When people come to us hungry, they usually speak of their dependence on God, we do our best to assist them in figuring out a plan to do better economically and we affirm their faith. We often pray with our neighbors. The process is seamless, natural and expected. No one is keeping track of "conversions" like marks on a chart. We are simply attempting to live our our faith with and before all who come our way. <br /><br />BTW--our approach has ABSOLUTELY NOTHING TO DO WITH THE FACT THAT WE RECEIVE PUBLIC FUNDS. Those funds don't impose restrictions on us about how our faith informs and shapes our work. To the contrary, there is an appreciation of that influence and shaping. Since we don't make our help conditional or limited only to neighbors who go through some indocrination course, the public agencies/funders are very pleased to work with us, especially since we are so close to the ground. <br /><br />While I appreciate the comments, the reality here is quite different than what some imagine.Larry Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06124477733714017000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-25138946786918196012011-05-05T01:45:16.319-05:002011-05-05T01:45:16.319-05:00I definitely believe that you should do good for g...I definitely believe that you should do good for goodness sake, but at the same time, if no one had never taught my close friend about Christ (through an outreach charity type program) she probably would not be a Christian<br /><br />I think the "left hand right hand" example is referring to other Christian<br /><br />I don't think Christianity should be about doing things in secret and keeping things secretive, in fact, I think the more secretive Christians act, the less likely people are willing to want to learn more about ChristAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-6303123500819323222011-05-04T18:09:34.056-05:002011-05-04T18:09:34.056-05:00I do want to add that (as you know) I think sharin...I do want to add that (as you know) I think sharing the story of Christ can be done appropriately without "attacking" someone. <br /><br />I think having a fliers in the waiting room, that say if you're ever interested in a Bible study or want to learn more about Jesus we would love to teach you, with a phone number to call............ would be sufficient.Terrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-13852083821851395052011-05-04T18:01:56.447-05:002011-05-04T18:01:56.447-05:00I don't believe that doing good for goodness s...I don't believe that doing good for goodness sake is anything other than secular charity. Doing good in the name of Christ and with Christian instruction is and should be the way of charitable work. The good for goodness sake is a cope-out for those charities that are sucking on the government tit.<br />The Great Commission given by Christ is clear.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-87675696021630041222011-05-04T17:48:12.591-05:002011-05-04T17:48:12.591-05:00I definitely see what you are saying, but I know s...I definitely see what you are saying, but I know someone who, while she had been treated nicely by Christians, HONESTLY THOUGHT that she was not invited to their church and couldn't go b/c no one had ever invited her. <br /><br />People who have never been to church don't know that they are always invited to a church.<br /><br />Kind of like, a well I don't know, lets say a bunco group. If members of the bunco group had been nice to you, would you think you were invited? No, probably not, You would wait until you had a verbal invitation to join.<br /><br />Also it sounds like you are grouping all of the people that you help into one category. Remember each person is different, has a different history and has had different experiences. <br /><br /> While, yes, there are definitely faithful Christians who will come needing help there will also be those that have never truly heard about Jesus (yes it does happen in the US) or have only heard negative things about Christ, or are simply confused.<br /><br />Just because there are several that have resilient faith, doesn't mean you should not at least try to share the gospel.... you never know what kind of a difference you are making...... even if it is just 1 in 100 of your clients who has never heard about Christ, it is worth it.Terrinoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-36121712561134768602011-05-04T16:34:22.134-05:002011-05-04T16:34:22.134-05:00I have an honest question or two. When is an evang...I have an honest question or two. When is an evangelistic outreach appropriate? Jesus did give what we often call the Great Commission, and Paul said in 1Corinthians 9:22 To the weak I became weak, to win the weak. I have become all things to all men so that by all possible means I might save some. I really do see your point that good should be done for the sake of doing good, but can the message of the Gospel be spoken to people without making people feel imposed upon? At some point could our silence deprive a person of the chance to hear about Jesus?rcorumhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02276694547675544067noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-30492802975992050282011-05-04T12:45:09.675-05:002011-05-04T12:45:09.675-05:00Ditto.
When it comes to 'giving alms' hid...Ditto.<br /><br />When it comes to 'giving alms' hidden agendas or open proselytizing just make doing good awkward for both giver and recipient, and the unequal position of the parties makes any meaningful interaction or lasting response highly unlikely. And for all that, as Campolo suggests, it ignores the injunction not to let the left hand know what the right hand is doing.<br /><br />Ken<br />DallasAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-3235076786373995702011-05-04T07:47:23.612-05:002011-05-04T07:47:23.612-05:00All I can say is "Amen"!!All I can say is "Amen"!!Anicehttps://www.blogger.com/profile/02156304838732821271noreply@blogger.com