tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post6447428266115960449..comments2023-10-23T12:23:54.134-05:00Comments on Larry James' Urban Daily: Hate speechLarry Jameshttp://www.blogger.com/profile/06124477733714017000noreply@blogger.comBlogger42125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-70557371420639574572008-11-09T13:08:00.000-06:002008-11-09T13:08:00.000-06:00Another point of view: Who's Valerie Jarrett?Another point of view: <A HREF="http://liesandfairytales.blogspot.com/2008/11/whos-valerie-jarrett.html" REL="nofollow">Who's Valerie Jarrett?</A>Polillahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/13118283520890133856noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-54943592095681192682008-10-13T22:58:00.000-05:002008-10-13T22:58:00.000-05:00This comment has been removed by the author.Amandahttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06761091448816226672noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-22734448377509904022008-10-12T22:10:00.000-05:002008-10-12T22:10:00.000-05:00more on hate speech: http://www.politico.com/blogs...more on hate speech: http://www.politico.com/blogs/bensmith/1008/Overheating_on_the_other_side_too.html?showallAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-83236148645746662932008-10-11T20:15:00.000-05:002008-10-11T20:15:00.000-05:00Scott L. had it right. Rev. Wright (at least as I ...Scott L. had it right. Rev. Wright (at least as I recall), wasn't running for president. And he wasn't inciting people to violence. <BR/><BR/>Readers of the post like Chris, probably won't bother, but why not go to the website of the church and see what kind of 'un-American', racist, hateful work they are doing. It's still the church that is built upon his leadership and he hasn't been retired long enough for it to change drastically. Why he even had nerve enough to include that wild radical subversive group 'the Girl Scouts' among its many ministries. FOR SHAME!<BR/><BR/>http://www.trinitychicago.org/index.php?option=com_frontpage&Itemid=1<BR/><BR/>How dare Wright and his band of revolutionaries corrupt their church like this!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-61329675935936726382008-10-11T17:18:00.000-05:002008-10-11T17:18:00.000-05:00Before we make a choice we may regret for the next...Before we make a choice we may regret for the next four years, the accusations against Barack Obama should be carefully considered, <A HREF="http://www.FairAndUnbalanced.com?http://www.testimoanials.com/blog/blog1.php/2008/10/10/the-difference-between-jefferson-davis-a" REL="nofollow">as they are here</A>.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-65395174969353681962008-10-11T13:51:00.000-05:002008-10-11T13:51:00.000-05:00Peggy Noonan, former speech writer for President R...Peggy Noonan, former speech writer for President Ronald Reagan and current political commentary columnist for the Wall Street journal wrote in her new book "Patriotic Grace" that everyone needs to take a dose of Political Ritalin.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-59063938416812200622008-10-11T12:17:00.000-05:002008-10-11T12:17:00.000-05:00Jeremiah Wright was not running for President. No...Jeremiah Wright was not running for President. Nor did he call for any one's death in his controversial sermon. Disagree with his theology and his interpretation of American History, but don't try to compare his sermon in his church to what has been going on at rallies across the nation. BTW--yesterday Sen McCain pulled back on allowing lies to be told at his rallies. You can see the video at any news outlet where he referred to Sen Obama as a "family man" and as some one he respects and admires. He also rebutted the lie that Obama is a Muslim, though a questioner called him an Arab. Good for Sen McCain! Decency is what we are looking for. Way to go, Sen McCain!<BR/><BR/>Scott L.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-44230814866401854332008-10-11T11:51:00.000-05:002008-10-11T11:51:00.000-05:00Why is that funny? You do the same thing in rever...Why is that funny? You do the same thing in reverse.<BR/><BR/>I really don't see how anyone can conclude that Larry is intolerant. He could pull any comment on here at whim, and virtually never does. People disagree with him stridently and their posts stand only as a testament to his ability to tolerate different viewpoints.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-75160725500246041332008-10-11T10:31:00.000-05:002008-10-11T10:31:00.000-05:00ChrisI don't know if Larry has discussed Jerem...Chris<BR/><BR/>I don't know if Larry has discussed Jeremiah Wright's "hate speech" but you read the viewpoint of Gerald Britt (CDM's Vice President of Public Policy and Community Program Development) at the following link. <BR/><BR/>http://www.wineskins.org/filter.asp?SID=2&co_key=1593<BR/><BR/>Funny how they don't condemn it across the board -- just when it opposes their viewpoint.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-6056743153141852862008-10-10T22:47:00.000-05:002008-10-10T22:47:00.000-05:00YawnYawnAnonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-54044668940313782332008-10-10T21:32:00.000-05:002008-10-10T21:32:00.000-05:00Karen, I could not agree more. Some of those posti...Karen, I could not agree more. Some of those posting are like a broken record and just can't stay on the topic Larry intends to discuss. <BR/><BR/>I would enjoy reading the blog more if we could actually have more intelligent discussion on the subject posted rather the someone's personal agenda that has absolutely nothing to do with the intended discussion.<BR/><BR/>What about the questions friends, no matter where or how the event takes place (no finger pointing) is it a moral or spiritual problem when people exhibit this kind of behavior during an election? <BR/><BR/>It is not something I am proud of and I am sick of hearing it from all sides.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-61642795128412477002008-10-10T19:36:00.000-05:002008-10-10T19:36:00.000-05:00I don't remember Larry, but did you call attention...I don't remember Larry, but did you call attention to the hate speech of Jeremiah Wright?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713185419474601750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-2819376602221937922008-10-10T17:35:00.000-05:002008-10-10T17:35:00.000-05:00Larry,I couldn't agree more with your original pos...Larry,<BR/><BR/>I couldn't agree more with your original post. <BR/><BR/>And the way you have responded to the vitriol it engendered shows that you are a very patient man indeed.<BR/><BR/>Also, Charles, a sane and true comment.<BR/><BR/>There are certain people who post here regularly and, when I see their name, I don't even bother to read it any more, because it is always the same. Always. Which make me think the script is not their own, but somebody else's.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-27662700109362272802008-10-10T17:28:00.000-05:002008-10-10T17:28:00.000-05:00Yeah, but 3:10 is not the one spouting off BS abou...Yeah, but 3:10 is not the one spouting off BS about people/organizations and launching into character attacks.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-17237490672501090432008-10-10T17:14:00.000-05:002008-10-10T17:14:00.000-05:00ANON 3:10 - I did not say " I would support CDM bu...ANON 3:10 - I did not say " I would support CDM but...". What I said was I have been a supporter (note the active tense - I have actually made many contributions of money to CDM). there is a difference. read the post before you start your " ANON " diatribe. <BR/><BR/>I find it humurous that you are critical of me for posting "ANON" when you did the very same thing. Hypocrite?Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-68944062796315083002008-10-10T16:20:00.000-05:002008-10-10T16:20:00.000-05:00An honest comment from someone who chooses to rema...An honest comment from someone who chooses to remain anonymous for this reason: The attacks that go on in a Christian forum are far more venomous than those in a secular situation. This blog is a case in point. You post a comment and then with a couple of clicks, someone then has access to harass and stalk your blog and the blogs that you have links for. I haven't checked in at this blog for sometime now for the very reason that it gets so hate filled and ridiculous. But I did get curious about Larry's response over the ACORN situation and so I decided to have a look. <BR/><BR/>ACORN and other similar groups drive down the reputation for all those who strive to help the needy by their illegal activities and the parties they are affiliated with. Which is exactly why government should not be attached to such works. Too much potential for corruption as folks seek power. <BR/><BR/>The reports of the hate speech at McCain events are magnified. There may have been a few of those kinds of things being said, but according to "boots on the ground" it was not wide spread by any stretch of the imagination, except of course by the media and their imagination. The idiots who said such things are no different from the idiots who say that it's racists to disagree with Obama. And don't kid yourself the hate speech and threats during this administration have been many. Even coming from Christians.<BR/><BR/>It's time for people to take a political chill pill and stop the madness, especially those who claim to be followers of Christ. <BR/><BR/>Something to remember: sometimes even if we can't be accused of saying hurtful things, we can be accused of stoking the flames of unrest just by what we choose to post.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-83978772522947368402008-10-10T15:56:00.000-05:002008-10-10T15:56:00.000-05:00Anonymous 9:47, given McCain's health, I think Pal...Anonymous 9:47, given McCain's health, I think Palin has to be the most hands-off candidate for President (or any other office) in the history of democracy. Can't talk to her unless you show "deference", can't talk to her handlers, can't talk to the crowds at her rallies, can't call the Alaska state government without the campaign answering. I don't think the McCain campaign's sexist, just very very afraid of the poor choice it made.<BR/><BR/>If we want to talk Ayres, why is no one mentioning the Palins' association with Alaskan separatists? Or if Reverend Wright is speaking Obama's words, isn't her pre-political-life church equally demonstrative of her anti-Semitism? I don't think she's a separatist or anti-Semite - she just passes a higher bar of evidence for either label than Obama does for terrorist.<BR/><BR/>I'm sure a lot of people will want to respond - if so, please cite a fact based on something other than talk radio, FOX News, and those it pays, and I'll avoid the NYTimes and MSNBC.<BR/><BR/>Larry, as always, thanks for bringing news to our attention. I'm sorry if your desire for truth or compassion or simple human decency affects the great work you do.Anonymoushttps://www.blogger.com/profile/08279077111112195273noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-69267604474331041452008-10-10T15:41:00.000-05:002008-10-10T15:41:00.000-05:00Anon 3:27, thanks for the sane analysis. I've hea...Anon 3:27, thanks for the sane analysis. I've heard this as well. <BR/><BR/>Here's one culprit in this whole deal: our media, often accussed of being left wing, is actually the entertainment wing! Better, indepth reporting would settle this foolish issue as a waste of time.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-15640761088058473092008-10-10T15:27:00.000-05:002008-10-10T15:27:00.000-05:00The Republican party is grasping on to the ACORN s...The Republican party is grasping on to the ACORN story as a way to delegitimize what now looks like the probable outcome of the November election. It is also a way to stoke the paranoia of their base, lay the groundwork for legal challenges of close outcomes in various states and promote new legal restrictions on legitimate voting by lower income voters and minorities. The big picture is that these claims of 'voter fraud' are themselves a fraud, a tool to aid in suppressing Democratic voter turnout. But I want give readers a bit more detail to understand what is going because the right-wing freak out about ACORN happens pretty much on schedule every two years. The whole scam is premised on having enough people who don't remember when they tried it before who they can then confuse and lie to. And this is clearly important because I'm hearing from a lot of people whose heart is in the right place thinking some real voter fraud conspiracy has been uncovered and that Obama has to distance himself from it post-haste.<BR/><BR/>ACORN registers lots of lower income and/or minority voters. They operate all across the country and do a lot of things beside voter registration. What's key to understand is their method. By and large they do not rely on volunteers to register voters. They hire people -- often people with low incomes or even the unemployed. This has the dual effect of not only registering people but also providing some work and income for people who are out of work. But because a lot of these people are doing it for the money, inevitably, a few of them cut corners or even cheat. So someone will end up filling out cards for nonexistent names and some of those slip through ACORN's own efforts to catch errors. (It's important to note that in many of the recent ACORN cases that have gotten the most attention it's ACORN itself that has turned the people in who did the fake registrations.) These reports start buzzing through the right-wing media every two years and every time the anecdotal reports of 'thousands' of fraudulent registrations turns out, on closer inspection, to be either totally bogus themselves or wildly exaggerated. So thousands of phony registrations ends up being, like, twelve.<BR/><BR/>I've always had questions about whether this is a good way to do voter registration. And Democratic campaigns usually keep their distance. But here's the key. This is fraud against ACORN. They end up paying people for registering more people then they actually signed up. If you register me three times to vote, the registrar will see two new registrations of an already registered person and the ones won't count. If I successfully register Mickey Mouse to vote, on election day, Mickey Mouse will still be a cartoon character who cannot go to the local voting station and vote. Logically speaking there's very little way a few phony names on the voting rolls could be used to commit actual vote fraud. And much more importantly, numerous studies and investigations have shown no evidence of anything more than a handful of isolated cases of actual instances of vote fraud.<BR/><BR/>To expand on this point let me quote from Richard Hasen, one of the most experienced and concise commentators on this question, from a June 2007 column in the Dallas Morning News ...<BR/><BR/> At least in hindsight, the center's line of argument is easily deconstructed. First, arguing by anecdote is dangerous business. A new report by Lorraine Minnite of Barnard College looks at these anecdotes and shows them to be, for the most part, wholly spurious. Sure, one can find a rare case of someone voting in two jurisdictions, but nothing extensive or systematic has been unearthed or documented.<BR/><BR/> But perhaps most importantly, the idea of massive polling-place fraud (through the use of inflated voter rolls) is inherently incredible. Suppose I want to swing the Missouri election for my preferred presidential candidate. I would have to figure out who the fake, dead or missing people on the registration rolls are, then pay a lot of other individuals to go to the polling place and claim to be that person, without any return guarantee - thanks to the secret ballot - that any of them will cast a vote for my preferred candidate.<BR/><BR/> Those who do show up at the polls run the risk of being detected and charged with a felony. And for what - $10? Polling-place fraud, in short, makes no sense.<BR/><BR/> The Justice Department devoted unprecedented resources to ferreting out fraud over five years and appears to have found not a single prosecutable case across the country. Of the many experts consulted, the only dissenter from that position was a representative of the now-evaporated American Center for Voting Rights.<BR/><BR/>Again, there have been numerous investigations of this. Often by people with at least a mild political interest in finding wrongdoing. But they never find it. It always ends up being right-wing hype and lies. Remember, most of those now-famous fired US Attorneys from 2007 were Republican appointees who were canned after they got tasked with investigating allegations of widespread vote fraud, did everything they could to find it, but came up with nothing. That was the wrong answer so Karl Rove and his crew at the Justice Department fired them.<BR/><BR/>Vote registration fraud is a limited and relatively minor problem in the US today. But it is principally an administrative and efficiency issue. It is has little or nothing to do with people casting illegitimate votes to affect an actual election. That's the key. What you're hearing right now from Fox News, the New York Post, John Fund and the rest of the right-wing bamboozlement chorus is a just another effort to exploit, confuse and lie in an effort to put more severe restrictions on legitimate voting and lay the groundwork to steal elections.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-78504741622504441472008-10-10T15:10:00.000-05:002008-10-10T15:10:00.000-05:00It would just be nice if all of these uber-conserv...It would just be nice if all of these uber-conservative anonymous's would actually post their name, rather than use all of these under-handed attacks like "I would support CDM, but..."Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-64002628617312898382008-10-10T14:41:00.000-05:002008-10-10T14:41:00.000-05:00Anon 2:17, I am sorry that you feel as you do. My...Anon 2:17, I am sorry that you feel as you do. My only intention with this post was to call attention to the hate speech that is being heard at rallies, speech that in my view crosses a line that ought not be crossed. I am not disputing honest, principled differences of opinion or conviction about politics or process. Nor am I saying that you are a racist for backing Sen McCain. Not for a moment was I suggesting that. However, if you stand in a crowd and shout out racial slurs and insults or threats against a person's life, what conclusion might one reach? And if I stand before a crowd and allow such to continue, what does that say about me? <BR/><BR/>Everyone is welcome in our battle against poverty, everyone. If you feel as if that is not the case here at CDM, I ask for your forgivness if I have made you feel that way. My purpose here--and everything here is my opinon, not that of CDM--is to simply engage thought around the issues that concern all who visit this site.Larry Jameshttps://www.blogger.com/profile/06124477733714017000noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-28146357797305662642008-10-10T14:37:00.000-05:002008-10-10T14:37:00.000-05:00Larry and CDM have made me feel uncomfortable for ...Larry and CDM have made me feel uncomfortable for years. (I still remember "flesh" colored crayons, etc.) While I have not supported CDM financially on a regular basis, I have from time to time not because they look up or down on my ideas and opinions but because they seek to pick up and lift up those whom by default/omission I neglected. I sometimes feel I'm accused of "beating and robbing" when I've not but those confrontations prompt reflection and oftentimes, conviction of how I've "passed by on the other side" in a hurry to be a good church-goer.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-9580554547070197192008-10-10T14:17:00.000-05:002008-10-10T14:17:00.000-05:00It will be real interesting to hear the comments a...It will be real interesting to hear the comments after the election if McCain wins. I expect a full - court press of the racism card. Frankly, I am so tired of hearing the direct and "around the edges" attack on anyone who has concerns or takes issue with anything about Obama's positions, record, and background. This board is a perfect example of such a response, where if any one dares to say anything negative about the Messiah, that person is immediatly labeled a racist or his comments are belittled. God help us if Obama loses because every white republican will be labled a racist and the Donna Brazil's of the world will be spewing some serious hate. Does it bother any one on this board that there just might be racism coming out of the mouths and action of the Obama supporters. This election has revealed alot about a number of people on this board, including the intolerance to other opinions and the absolute disgust for anyone who could question the views of those who don't agree with Obama's disciples. It would not surprise me a bit if CDM loses some of their most loyal supporters and donors because of the complete lack of tolerance for any view that does not fall in line with 99.9% of those who post here, including Larry. If you go back and look at Larry's responses to any counter - view to his on Obama, you will see comments that basically say, " your comment is nonsense and you don't have a clue what you are talking about". I guess that is what happens when politics is placed at the top of the list over bringing together people of different faiths and views to help others... together. I am done with this organization. My money and my time will go some other cause. Why would I continue to support CDM when apparently my concerns and opnions are looked down upon. Thanks for opening my eyes to a very ugly side of a group of people who i thought were all in the poverty fight together. Obviously we are not and I will find a more tolerant group. Peace be with all of you.Anonymousnoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-84127433135824506652008-10-10T13:51:00.000-05:002008-10-10T13:51:00.000-05:00ACORN is not only behind voter fraud, it is also b...ACORN is not only behind voter fraud, it is also behind the economic mess. It's subsidiary, Acorn Housing promoted subprime loans which is the cause of the stock market fall.<BR/><BR/>Bill Ayers is like Timothy McVeigh only Bill got a pass. They both bombed public buildings. He is now teaching your children at a university, except he is now quiet until Obama gets elected. Imagine a president with close ties with Timothy McVeigh. Get the picture?Chrishttps://www.blogger.com/profile/10713185419474601750noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-9827454.post-87689546788057098992008-10-10T13:46:00.000-05:002008-10-10T13:46:00.000-05:00Larry - Thank you so much for serving the people D...Larry - Thank you so much for serving the people Dallas, and for your ability to speak the "truth in love".<BR/><BR/>I've heard Bill Clinton called the antichrist in a prayer led by a Christian. I've heard a student at a Christian university associate George W with the "sign of the beast." Really? Both occasions made my skin crawl. There is no room for talk like that in a believer's speech.<BR/><BR/>AMEN to this post.<BR/><BR/>Thank you for this post!Anonymousnoreply@blogger.com