From an article on the source of that "information":
NumbersUSA hosted an afternoon open house at its plush new digs, where the lobbyists relaxed, nibbled on catered food, and conversed with the leaders and other officials of key anti-immigration organizations.
Patrick McHugh of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, which purports to be a squeaky clean think tank that rejects racism, was there pressing the flesh along with Barbara Coe, head of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, who repeatedly referred to Mexicans — as she has for years — as "savages."
The Citizens Informer, a white supremacist tabloid put out by the Council of Conservative Citizens hate group, was available.
A 5 year old child is brought into this country by her parents. Obviously she has no choice in the matter. She goes to school and "keeps her nose clean." Now she's 18. She just graduated from high school. But she can't work to support herself - she's not an American citizen. Nor is she Mexican - her Spanish is weak and she has no recollection of Mexico and has never been there. The DREAM Act would give her a chance at citizemship, only after further proof that she would make a good citizen (college, army, etc.).
The DREAM Act is intended to reach her. Is it flawless? I'm sure it's not. I can't think of a piece of legislation that is. But it's a very modest step in the right direction.
The DREAM ACT is anything but a modest step. In fact, kids are a minor part of the bill. The fact is, it is a way for massive amnesty for illegals.
The bill offers provisional amnesty to virtually every illegal up to the age of 35. Contrary to what is generally thought, they do not have to be on the road to higher education or serve in the military. They can provide a list of high schools attended instead.
All a person has to do is fill out an application that claims to meet the criteria. That gives the illegal alien an immediate provisional amnesty.
The likelihood of any illegal losing this amnesty because of fraud is unlikely because Dream is written so that nobody can lose the amnesty unless the feds do the expensive investigation to prove that the illegal alien isn't qualified.
The DREAM ACT opens the way for a pathway to citizenship for most of the illegals over the age of 35 if they are related to illegals under 35. Unless the amnesty eliminates Chain Migration categories, it will always open the way for millions upon millions more relatives, including those that are already illegally in this country.
While I think something should be done about the children who have grown up in this country, the present bill has too many opportinities for fraud.
Chris, what you have posted here is simply untrue. If anything, this latest version of the bill is weaker for these children than what we tried to promote last year. I don't know where you get your info, but in this case everyone needs to know you are simply incorrect. When it comes to fraud, we'd do better to keep our eyes on the folks who run Wall Street, etc. These children of the immigrants are not a threat, they are a national treasure.
One more note, Chris and readers. Look at Anon 1:31. Racism, xenophobia and rabid nativism is back of much of the misinformation like Chris posted on the DREAM Act. Let's not be fooled at the "values" beneath the supposed fear and "patriotism."
The real question, Chris, is "what's correct" about your (mis)information. (Answer: almost nothing.) According to Wikipedia:
"This bill would provide certain immigrant students who graduate from US High Schools, are of good moral character, arrived in the US as children, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency. The students will obtain temporary residency for a lapse of six years. Within the six year period, a qualified student must attend college, and earn a two year degree, or serve in the military for two years in order to earn citizenship after the six years period. If student does not comply with either his/her college requirement or military service requirement, temporary residency will be taken away and student will be subjected to deportation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act
This unslanted description of the bill is pretty much just what it's backers describe, and bears little resemblance to the misinformation spread by opponents.
I think the bill could be made better. As it stands, no provision requires that aliens to provide proof that their claims of eligibility are true. It's up to the feds to perform costly, time-consuming investigations to prove the claims are false in order to deny an amnesty to anybody. Then, the parents who brought their kids here can get U.S. citizenship and then start the chain migration. Also DREAM would remove the federal ban on in-state tuition for further illegal aliens.
The bill should include mandatory workplace E-Verify for every employer to ensure thare was no jobs magnet for millions of people who otherwise would be enticed by the amnesty to become illegal aliens.
Chain migration should be eliminated.
The bill requires DHS to move all amnesty petitions to the front of the line, ahead of the millions of people who have been waiting for years to come to the United States legally. If by any rare chance the amnesty is denied, the illegal alien could extend the process for several years by appealing the denial.
Larry, I feel that we don't get the whole story of the DREAM Act from you. Google:
ReplyDeleteA Dose of Reality Turns Dreams into Nightmares by Rosemary Jenks
From an article on the source of that "information":
ReplyDeleteNumbersUSA hosted an afternoon open house at its plush new digs, where the lobbyists relaxed, nibbled on catered food, and conversed with the leaders and other officials of key anti-immigration organizations.
Patrick McHugh of the Washington-based Center for Immigration Studies, which purports to be a squeaky clean think tank that rejects racism, was there pressing the flesh along with Barbara Coe, head of the California Coalition for Immigration Reform, who repeatedly referred to Mexicans — as she has for years — as "savages."
The Citizens Informer, a white supremacist tabloid put out by the Council of Conservative Citizens hate group, was available.
A 5 year old child is brought into this country by her parents. Obviously she has no choice in the matter. She goes to school and "keeps her nose clean." Now she's 18. She just graduated from high school. But she can't work to support herself - she's not an American citizen. Nor is she Mexican - her Spanish is weak and she has no recollection of Mexico and has never been there. The DREAM Act would give her a chance at citizemship, only after further proof that she would make a good citizen (college, army, etc.).
ReplyDeleteThe DREAM Act is intended to reach her. Is it flawless? I'm sure it's not. I can't think of a piece of legislation that is. But it's a very modest step in the right direction.
How hard is that to understand?
The DREAM ACT is anything but a modest step. In fact, kids are a minor part of the bill. The fact is, it is a way for massive amnesty for illegals.
ReplyDeleteThe bill offers provisional amnesty to virtually every illegal up to the age of 35. Contrary to what is generally thought, they do not have to be on the road to higher education or serve in the military. They can provide a list of high schools attended instead.
All a person has to do is fill out an application that claims to meet the criteria. That gives the illegal alien an immediate provisional amnesty.
The likelihood of any illegal losing this amnesty because of fraud is unlikely because Dream is written so that nobody can lose the amnesty unless the feds do the expensive investigation to prove that the illegal alien isn't qualified.
The DREAM ACT opens the way for a pathway to citizenship for most of the illegals over the age of 35 if they are related to illegals under 35. Unless the amnesty eliminates Chain Migration categories, it will always open the way for millions upon millions more relatives, including those that are already illegally in this country.
While I think something should be done about the children who have grown up in this country, the present bill has too many opportinities for fraud.
Chris, what you have posted here is simply untrue. If anything, this latest version of the bill is weaker for these children than what we tried to promote last year. I don't know where you get your info, but in this case everyone needs to know you are simply incorrect. When it comes to fraud, we'd do better to keep our eyes on the folks who run Wall Street, etc. These children of the immigrants are not a threat, they are a national treasure.
ReplyDeleteOne more note, Chris and readers. Look at Anon 1:31. Racism, xenophobia and rabid nativism is back of much of the misinformation like Chris posted on the DREAM Act. Let's not be fooled at the "values" beneath the supposed fear and "patriotism."
ReplyDeleteI would like to know what I was incorrect about, Larry.
ReplyDeleteThe real question, Chris, is "what's correct" about your (mis)information. (Answer: almost nothing.) According to Wikipedia:
ReplyDelete"This bill would provide certain immigrant students who graduate from US High Schools, are of good moral character, arrived in the US as children, and have been in the country continuously for at least five years prior to the bill's enactment, the opportunity to earn conditional permanent residency. The students will obtain temporary residency for a lapse of six years. Within the six year period, a qualified student must attend college, and earn a two year degree, or serve in the military for two years in order to earn citizenship after the six years period. If student does not comply with either his/her college requirement or military service requirement, temporary residency will be taken away and student will be subjected to deportation."
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DREAM_Act
This unslanted description of the bill is pretty much just what it's backers describe, and bears little resemblance to the misinformation spread by opponents.
I think the bill could be made better. As it stands, no provision requires that aliens to provide proof that their claims of eligibility are true. It's up to the feds to perform costly, time-consuming investigations to prove the claims are false in order to deny an amnesty to anybody. Then, the parents who brought their kids here can get U.S. citizenship and then start the chain migration. Also DREAM would remove the federal ban on in-state tuition for further illegal aliens.
ReplyDeleteThe bill should include mandatory workplace E-Verify for every employer to ensure thare was no jobs magnet for millions of people who otherwise would be enticed by the amnesty to become illegal aliens.
Chain migration should be eliminated.
The bill requires DHS to move all amnesty petitions to the front of the line, ahead of the millions of people who have been waiting for years to come to the United States legally. If by any rare chance the amnesty is denied, the illegal alien could extend the process for several years by appealing the denial.